GOD Saves Bad People

Kind of a humbling and insightful reminder to me of who we are, and how great GOD is.

“GOD rescues us (bad people), to reveal the glory of HIS grace and the expansive boundaries of HIS love…”

So many times in my life, I would try to earn GOD’s grace by works or believe that because of my Christian up-bringing that I was placed in an “automatically saved” group.  It wasn’t until GOD showed me through my sin and iniquity of how bad I was, that I realized how HIS salvation rests on how great HIS love and grace is and not on how good we (think) we are.

“Why are some saved and not others? (those who aren’t saved can’t come to terms with the fact that they’re bad… ironically, they spend their lives searching any and everything of the world they feel will make them better).  When you understand that we are all guilty, the amazing thing is not that GOD saves some and not others, the amazing thing is that GOD saves any.”

If GOD’s desire is to save all men (1 Timothy 2:3-4), and all men are bad (Romans 3:23 and Matthew 19:17), then “GOD saves bad people” isn’t all that enlightening  of a statement to most Christians.  However, taken a little further, and this belief can be easily argued to defend Universalism.

Christian Universalist believe that, GOD, in a “display of HIS infinite love, sent Jesus the Christ to die so that ALL of humankind not just can be saved but will be saved, regardless of faith and actions.” – sounds good huh.?. especially if you want to flow through life doing what you want and still be saved in the end.

http://www.christian-universalism.com/ – Here you can see E. Stetty proclaiming the gospel of, “no man left behind” (I think he stole that phrase; isn’t that the marine’s motto.?. or from an x-men cartoon or something)?  Anyways, you see that Christian Universalist claim that ALL men are being saved by GOD through Christ, and this is the “good news”.

What are your thoughts on the video and what are some verses/scripture that refute this growing Christian Universalist belief.

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4 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by David on November 16, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Powerful video. I am reminded of Jesus telling the self-righteous that the spiritually sick need attention and healing, not the healthy in Mark 2:17. This was important to him. The sick weren’t getting the attention they needed and this video reminds me of God’s desire for the spiritually sick, the “bad people.” Yet it’s ineteresting to note that the ones who questioned and opposed Jesus were also in desperate need of healing, but they instead ignored their illness (generally speaking).

    The differance is that God calls sinners to repentance. I think this is what Universalism is missing. As mentioned, God wants to save us all, and we are all indeed bad. The problem is that the majority doesn’t want to be saved, and God’s not going to force salvation upon anybody. Seems fair by our human standards, right? The Universalists seem to appeal to people who want to fit God into their box, to define God’s judgement by their own opinions. Note the sales pitch for the book, “Do you wish God could be more loving and forgiving? Do you wish those who die in their sins or unbelief could have another chance at redemption?”

    God sent Jesus to give us the option to be saved, show us how to be saved, and make it possible to be saved. In his ministry, while many accepted his salvation, some also rejected it. Take the “rich young ruler” for example (Luke 18:18-29). The young man wanted eternal life (salvation), yet not enough to obey Jesus. Jesus then laments at how great an effort rich people must endure to enter God’s kingdom. If Jesus were a Unitarian, I imagine he would have been cool with the man’s decision. “Naw, it’s cool, man. I was kinda just hoping you’d sell all you have and give to the poor. You didn’t really have to. You’ll be saved anyways. Thanks for the question! See you later!”

    In Acts 16:30, a ‘bad’ person asks “what must I do to be saved?” I imagine if Paul and Silus were Unitarian they might say something like, “DO?! Oh, don’t worry, you don’t have to DO anything! God’s going to save you anyways!” But they weren’t Unitarians, they were Christians, who believed in what Christ says. They told the man to “Believe on the lord Jesus, and you will be saved.” Requirement #1: Be a Christian.

    Our fellowship very recently did a study on the works of the flesh in Galations 5:19-21. Verse 21 says that if we practice these things, we can’t get God’s kingdom. In fact, in the end there are indeed people who will burn in the lake of fire (Rev. 21:8).

    Most Christians tie the kingdom of God with salvation, whether you believe it to be a literal place or not. Yet even salvation from sin requires work on behalf of the one being saved. To be free from sin, we must be Jesus’ diciples (John 8:30-36).

    God kicked man out of paradise because man chose disobedience (Gen. 3). The Universalist claims that he will seek out every last remnant of mankind and transform them to be acceptable to Him and welcome them back into eternal paradise. So why did He even give mankind the choice to disobey in the first place, and why put the people who choose to obey Him now in a world ruled by Satan and inhabited by evil (Food for thought, promises about eternity: Psalm 125:3, Rev. 21:27)?

    God invites all the ‘bad’ people to the wedding feast (Matt. 22: 1-10), but it’s up to us to be dressed properly, otherwise we’ll be rejected (v. 11-14). Sorry, Universatlists, some people just aren’t fit for salvation.

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  2. Posted by Russ on November 17, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Great post. Excellent point on the “rich young ruler”/Luke 18.
    Rev. 21 & Gal 5 both came to my mind also.
    How do you even get around Acts 16:30,31 as a Christian Universalist if they feel those who even believe in other faiths will be saved? So many holes in that belief.

    Good stuff… thanks for posting.

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  3. Hi Victor,

    I didn’t watch the video, as I’m already familar with the universalist position, and don’t agree with it. It seeks to save all men by putting away sin. However, instead of Universalism, perhaps we should consider the possibility of God “restoring” all men, each in their own order. Consider – God is the saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) believers. But each in their own order. To those who overcome, these are the first-fruits, raised to immortality in the FIRST resurrection, and who reign as kings and priests of God for that AGE. Their reward for overcoming is to receive immortality 1000 years earlier than all others. Only Christians will be in the 1st resurrection, but not all Christians.

    God will manifest these sons and daughters to all of creation, who are then provoked to seek the same immortality for themselves. Nevertheless the rest must wait the full 1000 years for the 2nd resurrection of the just and the unjust. There, believers who failed to overcome have the hay, wood,and stubble burned off and finally receive their reward. Unbelievers are cast into the lake of fire to restore them – not to burn them forever. The fire is not literal. It is the fire of His divine judgment in accordance with His character and His divine law. How long this lasts is not known, but it is Aionian – AGE Enduring.

    Ultimately, all men will confess Jesus as Lord and every knee will bow, to the glory of God the Father, whose mercy and love will restore the sinner. That IS the testimony of scripture (Isaiah 45:23; Philippians 2:10-11). God so loved the world that He purchased the entire field, and He will receive what He payed for, until the last soul is redeemed. Few find the narrow gate in this life, but God’s plan is not a failure. The purpose of this age was not to save all men, for most have not been saved. Nevertheless, God’s will IS that all men be saved and come into a knowledge of the truth. God’s will WILL be done – in due course. For this age, His purpose was to call out a first fruits company of overcomers and manifest them to the world. These are the saviors (plural) who ascend Mount Zion (Obadiah 1:21). In due time He will reconcile all things to Himself, whether in heaven or earth, visible or invisible (Colossians 1:16-20)

    Blessings,
    Steve

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  4. Posted by Rayma on February 25, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Hi Victor–I have been looking into Universalism for over a year now. I would suggest David and Zoe Sulem’s book “God’s Plan for All” and their website http://www.God‘sPlanforAll.com allows you to read many of the chapters of the book instead of or before you buy. They are in the process of updating their book I’m told. I believe this may be one of the more (and perhaps most) scholarly works on the topic of Universalism around; I’ve been extremely blessed and comforted in their presentation of the scriptures, but am keenly aware of the fact that most Christians take issue with the topic. Let me know what you think. ❤ Rayma

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